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> <channel><title>twopointouch &#187; yahoo</title> <atom:link href="http://twopointouch.com/tag/yahoo/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://twopointouch.com</link> <description>web 2.0, blogs and social media</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 20:03:42 +0000</lastBuildDate> <language>en</language> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3</generator> <item><title>Well, It made me laugh</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2008/web-2-0/well-it-made-me-laugh/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2008/web-2-0/well-it-made-me-laugh/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:55:59 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[stuff]]></category> <category><![CDATA[web 2.0]]></category> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[google]]></category> <category><![CDATA[merger]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2008/02/04/well-it-made-me-laugh/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Fake Steve Jobs is <a
href="http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2008/02/ballmer-im-completely-out-of-ideas.html">rather more concise</a> than me:</p><p>The Borg-Yahoo merger won’t work. Here’s why. It’s like taking the two guys who finished second and third in a 100-yard dash and tying their legs together and asking for a rematch, believing that now they’ll run faster.</p> ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake Steve Jobs is <a
href="http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2008/02/ballmer-im-completely-out-of-ideas.html">rather more concise</a> than me:</p><blockquote><p>The Borg-Yahoo merger won’t work. Here’s why. It’s like taking the two guys who finished second and third in a 100-yard dash and tying their legs together and asking for a rematch, believing that now they’ll run faster.</p></blockquote> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2008/web-2-0/well-it-made-me-laugh/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Microo?</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2008/business/microo/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2008/business/microo/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[stuff]]></category> <category><![CDATA[google]]></category> <category><![CDATA[microsoft]]></category> <category><![CDATA[rants]]></category> <category><![CDATA[search engines]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2008/02/01/microo/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>So Microsoft has <a
href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7222114.stm">tendered a bid to buy Yahoo! for $44.6bn</a>.</p><p>I understand that Microsoft has to do something to build on its web strategy/presence. No-one uses Live Search, Live Spaces, or any of the rest. (OK. About one percent of people do). To build up any future trade for advertising, web services or<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2008/business/microo/">Continue reading Microo?</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Microsoft has <a
href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7222114.stm">tendered a bid to buy Yahoo! for $44.6bn</a>.</p><p>I understand that Microsoft has to do something to build on its web strategy/presence. No-one uses Live Search, Live Spaces, or any of the rest. (OK. About one percent of people do). To build up any future trade for advertising, web services or development platforms, they have to increase market share.</p><p>I understand that Yahoo! has to do something. Their share of the search market is <a
href="http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2156451">pitiful</a> compared to the almighty Google. Their share of the search marketing budget is about 20% compared to Google’s 70%. And they’d just been forced to <a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/technology/22yahoo.html?bl&amp;ex=1201150800&amp;en=0019b93b4bb1c219&amp;ei=5087">lay off</a> a load of staff.</p><p>So if they combine forces, they end up with a market competitor?</p><p>I don’t think so.</p><p>Microsoft’s problem and Yahoo!‘s has been that they have not been able to identify what they do well. Microsoft used to do operating systems and business productivity software. They were quite good at that. <a
href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=YMMV">YMMV</a>.</p><p>Yahoo! used to have this great directory of editor-approved, quality websites. Then they diversified. They tried to make yahoo.com all things to all wo/men. That failed disastrously because there’s no such thing. They brought on some cool people and acquired a load of cool sites like del.icio.us, flickr and upcoming. But still it didn’t work for them because advertisers don’t buy cool; they buy results. Yahoo! announced 1400 job losses just last week.</p><p>Why didn’t it work and why isn’t MS able to make any inroads on the web?</p><p>Because neither of them have a <strong>core value proposition</strong> when it comes to the web. You couldn’t sum up what either of them do on the web in one sentence. If a business can’t do that, then they are in trouble, normally.</p><p>Don’t get me wrong. There are bits within both companies’ web presence that have considerable value. Flickr is a cool photo site. Microsoft’s technet is actually very good, IMHO. Live Spaces is arguably a much better platform than Blogger or Vox.</p><p>However, for end-users, if you want good search, go to Google. For businesses, if you want SEM, go to Google. What exactly would you willingly go to a Yahoo or MS website for?</p><p>Microo! doesn’t appear to me to provide a compelling alternative to any of that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2008/business/microo/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Seeking Answers</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/seeking-answers/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/seeking-answers/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:54:02 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[social media]]></category> <category><![CDATA[web 2.0]]></category> <category><![CDATA[google]]></category> <category><![CDATA[search engines]]></category> <category><![CDATA[social-search]]></category> <category><![CDATA[wikipedia]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/11/30/seeking-answers/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://answers.google.com/answers/">Google Answers</a> has been <a
href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/adieu-to-google-answers.html">closed</a> while <a
href="http://answers.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Answers</a> goes from <a
href="http://weblogs.hitwise.com/bill-tancer/2006/11/charting_answers.html">strength to strength</a>. The key difference between the two is that Google’s service paid vetted ‘experts’ to produce results, while Yahoo allows anyone to pitch in. The whole thing leaves a lot of questions.</p><p>I’m not sure whether the stats prove<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/seeking-answers/">Continue reading Seeking Answers</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://answers.google.com/answers/">Google Answers</a> has been <a
href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/adieu-to-google-answers.html">closed</a> while <a
href="http://answers.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Answers</a> goes from <a
href="http://weblogs.hitwise.com/bill-tancer/2006/11/charting_answers.html">strength to strength</a>. The key difference between the two is that Google’s service paid vetted ‘experts’ to produce results, while Yahoo allows anyone to pitch in. The whole thing leaves a lot of questions.</p><p>I’m not sure whether the stats prove an uncomplicated victory for social search and crowdsourced problem-solving, for a start. I’ve really no idea which service produces better answers, being one issue. It probably depends on the question. ‘What’s a good Italian restaurant in Cardiff?’ will work well with the Yahoo! model because it has a wider reach. On the other hand, you might not want to trust folk wisdom for a solution to matters that require a specialised knowledge.</p><p>It does show that a free-for-all, give-and-take knowledge source is very addictive and, presumably, helpful enough. Involving people like <a
href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/;_ylt=AtjblpXOSMXPaKrJ2N9lui8jzKIX?qid=20060704195516AAnrdOD">Stephen Hawking</a> and <a
href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061121155642AA9yYO2">Oprah Winfrey</a> bought Yahoo! a vital share of attention Google never bothered with. Also, as Brady Forrest <a
href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/11/google_answers.html">points out</a>, Yahoo!‘s model could scale organically, while Google’s required the recruitment and vetting of answerers, a time-consuming and distracting business.</p><p>Is this victory analagous to what will happen in the battle between the <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page">Wikipedia</a> and the <a
href="http://www.britannica.com/">Britannica</a>? It seems very similar on face value. Not entirely, though, since their business models are different: Wikipedia survives on charitable donations and drubbing the opposition when it comes to traffic is not nearly as helpful as it has been to Yahoo!</p><p>[I interviewed Steven Taylor, RVP of Yahoo! UK <a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/08/01/yahoo-20/">here</a>, back in August and he talked a little about the Answers service]</p><p><img
height="368" alt="answers" hspace="5" src="http://twopointouch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/answers.png" width="460" vspace="5" /></p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/seeking-answers/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>5</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Chinese Whispers</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/chinese-whispers/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/chinese-whispers/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:36:17 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[stuff]]></category> <category><![CDATA[china]]></category> <category><![CDATA[google]]></category> <category><![CDATA[microsoft]]></category> <category><![CDATA[politics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/11/03/chinese-whispers/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Not really Web 2.0 or web-anything, but interesting nonetheless. <a
href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6102180.stm">News</a> on Wednesday that Microsoft is threatening to pull out of China because of human rights’ violations.</p><p>The BBC quotes Fred Tipson, MS’ senior policy counsel, who says:</p><p>“Things are getting bad… and perhaps we have to look again at our presence there,” he told<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/chinese-whispers/">Continue reading Chinese Whispers</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really Web 2.0 or web-anything, but interesting nonetheless. <a
href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6102180.stm">News</a> on Wednesday that Microsoft is threatening to pull out of China because of human rights’ violations.</p><p>The BBC quotes Fred Tipson, MS’ senior policy counsel, who says:</p><blockquote><p>“Things are getting bad… and perhaps we have to look again at our presence there,” he told a conference in Athens.</p><p>“We have to decide if the persecuting of bloggers reaches a point that it’s unacceptable to do business there.”</p><p>“We try to define those levels and the trends are not good there at the moment. It’s a moving target.“</p></blockquote><p>I’m interested in this, of course, because Google and Yahoo! have previously defended their decision to remain in China on the grounds that their presence is more likely to precipitate change and improvements than staying away. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft do indeed act against China, and if this propels action from other companies.</p><p>So sad, though, that it’s left to major corporations to take the moral stands our governments should be taking.</p><p></p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/chinese-whispers/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Good News for Homepage 2.0</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/good-news-for-homepage-20/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/good-news-for-homepage-20/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:29:58 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[web 2.0]]></category> <category><![CDATA[websites]]></category> <category><![CDATA[ajax]]></category> <category><![CDATA[business model]]></category> <category><![CDATA[google]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/08/good-news-for-homepage-20/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p></p><p>It’s not important for you to know my name - Nor I to know yours If we communicate for two minutes only It will be enough For knowing that someone in this world Feels as desperate as me - And what you give is what you get.</p><p>It doesn’t matter if we never meet<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/good-news-for-homepage-20/">Continue reading Good News for Homepage 2.0</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img
height="234" alt="homepagepoll" hspace="5" src="http://twopointouch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/homepagepoll.gif" width="211" align="left" vspace="5" /></p><p>It’s not important for you to know my name -<br
/> Nor I to know yours<br
/> If we communicate for two minutes only<br
/> It will be enough<br
/> For knowing that someone in this world<br
/> Feels as desperate as me -<br
/> And what you give is what you get.</p><p>It doesn’t matter if we never meet again,<br
/> What we have said will always remain.<br
/> If we get through for two minutes only,<br
/> It will be a start!<br
/> (<a
href="http://www.thejam.org.uk/">The Jam</a>, Start!)</p><p>There’s nothing like statistical rigor when it comes to research. And my little poll here is nothing like statistically rigorous. However, it’s been sitting there for more than two weeks while readers patently ignored it and it’s time to talk about the results. Anyway, it seems that it is <a
href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/07/D8K01L503.html">at least as valid</a> as a lot of the polls you read in the papers.</p><p>It’s good news for the Web 2.0 guys. While they were the least popular of the three options I presented, they still managed to garner six votes. Since the combined forces of Yahoo, Microsoft and Google only managed ten, I’d call that a pretty solid presence.</p><p><span
id="more-142"></span></p><p>“Yeah, right, Ian,” I hear you mutter. “Twenty-three votes is nothing, for a start. Plus you’re polling people who read a blog about Web 2.0 and stuff.”</p><p>True enough. However, my own expectation was the mainstream sites would completely dominate the newcomers, and that most people would vote for no personalised homepage. I use vanilla Google myself, but most of the time I’m actually going somewhere else, so “about:none” (which gives you a blank start page) would actually make more sense. Because of this bias, I assumed most people were the same. They’re not.</p><p><a
href="http://www.netvibes.com/">Netvibes</a> <a
href="http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/archives/2006/06/netvibes-4-million.html">apparently</a> has at least four million users and recently attracted $15mn in seed financing. Leading competitor <a
href="http://www.pageflakes.com/">Pageflakes</a> — backed to an undisclosed figure by Benchmark Capital — presumably has similar user numbers. New entrant <a
href="http://www.webwag.com/">Webwag</a> will have fewer, having only just launched. It’s a rocky market, though: Fold.com ahem.. folded on June 3rd, becoming the first entrant to Techcrunch’s Web 2.0 <a
href="http://www.techcrunch.com/tag/deadpool">deadpool</a>. On the other hand, single page aggregators, like <a
href="http://www.popurls.com">popurls</a>, are also <a
href="http://www.solutionwatch.com/501/tracking-the-web-with-single-page-aggregators/">on the rise</a>. These sites are similar in some respects to the Netvibes crowd, since they put together a bunch of related feeds onto a single page.</p><p>It’s pure speculation, of course, but the popularity of these pages might be ascribed to a couple of things:</p><p>1) It takes me an hour to read through the <del>107</del> 111 blogs I subscribe to through <a
href="http://www.bloglines.com/public/IanDelaney">bloglines</a>. If I miss a day, it might take two hours. I don’t always have that sort of time. What if I could just get the important stuff on a single page? (cf. Ross Mayfield’s <a
href="http://ross.typepad.com/blog/2006/09/between_popular.html">desire</a> for a version of <a
href="http://www.techmeme.com">Techmeme</a> that is actually MeMeme)</p><p>2) If I then need to visit a calendar, to-do list and a webmail site to complete my catch-up, that’s at least another 30 minutes. The personalised home pages can stick that on the same page as my news.</p><p>There are good reasons to use these pages. The question remains, though, as to how these sites are going to make any money. Netvibes, Pageflakes and Webwag haven’t even got any adverts. There’s talk of affiliate deals with Kelkoo, Amazon and so forth, but I see no evidence of that on the pages I’ve set up for myself using these services. Plus, there’s intense competition from mainstream players like Google as well as other AJAX homepage startups. Chris Lake <a
href="http://www.e-consultancy.com/news-blog/361247/are-all-ajax-homepages-doomed.html">raised this issue</a> back in June.</p><p>If I were the boss of Google, Yahoo or MS Live — you know, companies that have (a) an existing personalised start page service and (b) loads of advertisers looking for inventory — I’d be looking very carefully at Netvibes et al. Then I’d copy whatever it is that they’re doing to attract so many users and try to shut them down. Wouldn’t you?</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/good-news-for-homepage-20/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>1</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>yet another self-serving corporate blog</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/blogs/yet-another-self-serving-corporate-blog/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/blogs/yet-another-self-serving-corporate-blog/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:34:18 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[blogs]]></category> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[Blog]]></category> <category><![CDATA[branding]]></category> <category><![CDATA[identity]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/08/02/yet-another-self-serving-corporate-blog/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>In what may be a PR masterpiece, the new Yahoo! corporate <a
href="http://yodel.yahoo.com/">blog</a> is nothing but self-effacing. My headline is theirs for their virgin entry. “Oh, yes, weâ€™re going corporate. But please donâ€™t hold that against us. Itâ€™s a good thing, really,” they go on to say.</p><p></p><p>Signs are that this will be an<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/blogs/yet-another-self-serving-corporate-blog/">Continue reading yet another self-serving corporate blog</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what may be a PR masterpiece, the new Yahoo! corporate <a
href="http://yodel.yahoo.com/">blog</a> is nothing but self-effacing. My headline is theirs for their virgin entry. “Oh, yes, weâ€™re going corporate. But please donâ€™t hold that against us. Itâ€™s a good thing, really,” they go on to say.</p><p></p><p>Signs are that this will be an interesting read. Major corporate + apparent humility = addictive qualities. Check out this quotation from the first line of Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz’s <a
href="http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan">latest blog entry</a> from Sunday: “I had lunch with Tony Blair today. (And yes, I have been waiting all afternoon to type that.)”</p><p>How cool is that? He’s a big shot, but he’s just like you and me. He remains respectful throughout the entry to both the reader and to Blair. It’s good for me as a reader and him as the main conduit for communications between me and Sun. That’s because his opening remarks mean I might actually want to read what he’s got to say on the subject. He’s established himself as a human being with the same frailties as you and me, before he does anything else.</p><p></p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/blogs/yet-another-self-serving-corporate-blog/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>2</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Yahoo! 2.0</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/yahoo-20/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/yahoo-20/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:04:32 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[web 2.0]]></category> <category><![CDATA[feature]]></category> <category><![CDATA[search engines]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/08/01/yahoo-20/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Taylor is the RVP and MD Search &#38; Search Marketing at Yahoo! UK. Before Yahoo!, he was the MD of Overture Europe. I, on the other hand, am a little-known hack from South West London with a penchant for strong lager and pizzas. Stephen may also like those things.</p><p></p><p><strong>How are the new<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/yahoo-20/">Continue reading Yahoo! 2.0</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Taylor is the RVP and MD Search &amp; Search Marketing at Yahoo! UK. Before Yahoo!, he was the MD of Overture Europe. I, on the other hand, am a little-known hack from South West London with a penchant for strong lager and pizzas. Stephen may also like those things.</p><p></p><p><strong>How are the new changes to Yahoo’s homepage reflecting the mood and approaches of what we might call Web 2.0, and what remains the same?</strong></p><p>It’s definitely evolution. Ever since we started, eleven years ago, the heart and soul of our business has been to allow people to find and discover stuff on the web. A little more formally, there have been what we describe as four pillars to what we do on the site: content, search, community and personalisation.</p><p><span
id="more-72"></span></p><p>The redesign is intended to strengthen those things and to ensure that our front page reflects them in equal measure. There are more community links and personalisation opportunities now, but that is both to redress the balance and because that’s where we think we ought to be. Going forward, I imagine we’ll have more personalisation features and the ability to draw in more user-created content. This might include user’s photographs, their own RSS feeds and community-created videos.</p><p>We’ve also started to use quite a lot of AJAX on the site [AJAX is a web technology that allows pages to be updated without reloads, among other things]. It helps us to make better use of the space — so that email, messaging and weather can now occupy the same area of the page, for example. It also helps to make displaying new information far more seamless and hopefully that keeps our users on the site for a little bit longer.</p><p><strong>What’s happened to the Yahoo! directory?</strong></p><p>When Yahoo! was first set up, then, yes, the directory was *the thing*. Back then, it seemed like there were only a few thousand web sites and you could categorise and classify them and it seemed to Jerry Yang and David Filo that was what needed to be done.</p><p>Now, of course, the web has grown and that’s no longer such a sensible approach. Yes, we still have a few people working on maintaining it, but our focus has come to be on providing the best search results and our own content.</p><p><strong>Will Yahoo! maintain and grow flickr and del.cicio.us, or will it blend them into its own branded product offerings?</strong></p><p>We will build and enhance these services, definitely.</p><p>On the other hand, we need to be extremely sensitive to those communities, the users who have created del.icio.us and flickr. In many senses, those sites belong to them to a greater extent than us. They have uploaded the pictures and shared the bookmarks. We want flickr and del.cicio.us to flourish and grow organically rather than imposing things from above.</p><p>At the moment, we’re learning a great deal from both of those products. Flickr, in particular, is very much at the cutting edge of web development. And, yes, we want to take what is good about those companies and feed it back into the rest of what we do.</p><p>What we’re giving back to these products is the infrastructure and scalability. I think a lot of services that are currently very fashionable lack the capital backing to be very scalable and they will fade away again before too long.</p><p>Yahoo! is very excited by the possibilities of user communities and sharing: our Yahoo! Groups offering was one of the first ‘social networks’, though we’ve never called it by such a trendy title.</p><p><strong>How else is Yahoo! embracing Web 2.0 approaches?</strong></p><p>On the technological level, we’ve already talked about the use of AJAX on the home page. We also employ it across other products. We’ve introduced it into our Yahoo! Local mapping services. AJAX simply allows us to present more information easily. Users will only come to a site and only stay for as long as there are things for them to see and do. The technology enables this to be done more simply, from the user’s perspective.</p><p>We’re also deeply embedded in creating social networks. Yahoo! groups has been a huge part of our business for years, as I’ve said. In some respects, this isn’t a new thing at all. People have always wanted to communicate with peers on the web. But now it’s become trendier than previously and also the technology has evolved to let you do more with it. We’re now also offering the Yahoo! 360 blogging community for people with self-publishing aspirations.</p><p>In addition, we’re deeply committed to open API’s. From a business point of view, it’s central to us. Overture, now Yahoo! Search Marketing, has had an Open API for some time. That lets agencies develop their own views into the data. But so does flickr. Yahoo! Answers and our Yahoo! Local products will also have Open APIs. In the end, it means people are buying into our technologies and that’s got to be a good thing.</p><p>We’ve recently launched Yahoo! Answers which arguably fits into the Web 2.0 approach. I don’t know if it’s the “wisdom of crowds”, but when I wanted to take my children ice skating at Christmas in New York, I didn’t know the best place to go. Yes, I could search for skating rinks in New York, but which is the best one for young children, at that time of year?</p><p>That sort of information has always been hard to find on the web because it’s difficult for computers and search engines to process it. However, within a few minutes of sticking it on Yahoo! Answers, I had a dozen answers to my question, including several useful suggestions from New Yorkers. As we take the product forward, those pieces of information will be stored and categorised and start to make our web search capable of answering very specialised queries like that that haven’t been possible before. It’s a knowledge database around what lies inside people’s heads. There are already millions of answers and it continues to expand really rapidly.</p><p><strong>What motivates people to answer questions?</strong></p><p>To be honest, I’ve been absolutely amazed by people’s willingness to share their knowledge. I guess this willingness, which has never been picked up on properly before, is one of the big drivers of many Web 2.0 projects.</p><p>On Yahoo! Answers, you can reach different grades by answering more questions. But there’s no financial or other incentive and yet people are more than willing to share what they know. It’s something that I’m seriously impressed by.</p><p><strong>Yahoo! is clearly investing heavily in user communities and user content sites. Is that not off-putting to brand advertisers?</strong></p><p>The thing with advertising is that it’s the users who need to accept it for it to work. When we put sponsored, relevant results at the top of a search answer, it actually makes that search response better.</p><p>I’ve heard people say it’s off-putting on user-generated sites, but I think that’s down to the nature of the advertising. I think the advertisers themselves will need to think more creatively and laterally to find forms that attract the users of these sites.</p><p>In any case, we’re conscious that there are things that you can and can’t monetise. We don’t monetise Yahoo! Widgets, because there isn’t a way to do that which users wouldn’t find difficult to accept. Those things are more about giving more weight to the whole Yahoo! brand.</p><p><strong>How will trends develop over the next couple of years, and what will disappear?</strong></p><p>Well, if I knew that then maybeâ€¦*laughs* I think that there are certain things that are here to stay. Communities, sharing and user-generated content. The web has always been good for those things and it will continue to be. It’s a big part of how people want to use the internet.<br
/> Yahoo! has established support for the microformats that will drive the semantic web, which many feel is the next stage. It’s about making the content of web pages more understandable to machines and therefore more easy for humans to find and manage information. That may be some time in coming of age, though.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/business/yahoo-20/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Yahoo! and China</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/yahoo-and-china/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/yahoo-and-china/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:00:12 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[stuff]]></category> <category><![CDATA[web 2.0]]></category> <category><![CDATA[websites]]></category> <category><![CDATA[censorship]]></category> <category><![CDATA[china]]></category> <category><![CDATA[freespeech]]></category> <category><![CDATA[politics]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/07/28/yahoo-and-china/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Wondered about Yahoo! and China? Censored <a
href="http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=3125">search results</a>? <a
href="http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=11031">Shopping journalists</a> to a communist state machine?</p><p>Here’s what a company spokesperson told me:</p><p>“Yahoo! opposes the punishment of any person on the grounds of what may be called free speech. We firmly oppose that. However, we have to abide by the local laws of<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/yahoo-and-china/">Continue reading Yahoo! and China</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img
height="95" border="border" width="151" style="margin: 5px; float: left" class="" alt="taken from Google images; props to the artist" src="http://twopointouch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/Yahoo-764049.jpg" title="" />Wondered about Yahoo! and China? Censored <a
href="http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=3125">search results</a>? <a
href="http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=11031">Shopping journalists</a> to a communist state machine?</p><p>Here’s what a company spokesperson told me:</p><p>“Yahoo! opposes the punishment of any person on the grounds of what may be called free speech. We firmly oppose that. However, we have to abide by the local laws of whatever country we operate in. If we did not, it could lead to the imprisonment of our own employees. These are legal demands. We don’t give out any information except to accredited legal authorities. Also, they don’t typically tell us what the information is for. They have a warrant and we have to comply.”</p><p>So why operate in China, then, if it might lead to morally precarious actions?</p><p>“We believe that Chinese people are better off with Yahoo! than they would be otherwise. The benefits of having better access to the internet and the spread of knowledge that implies outweigh these concerns. But we have to obey the laws of the countries that we operate in.”</p><p>So what legal obligations are you under in China?</p><p>“You’d have to ask Alibaba about that. They have operated Yahoo! China since 2005. We have policies about what we will do, but we don’t know the exact restrictions.”</p><p>Satisfied? Sure you are…</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/websites/yahoo-and-china/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>Watching the watchmen</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/social-media/watching-the-watchmen/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/social-media/watching-the-watchmen/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:16:26 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[social media]]></category> <category><![CDATA[brand_advertising]]></category> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[feature]]></category> <category><![CDATA[privacy_service]]></category> <category><![CDATA[social networks]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo_europe]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/07/28/watching-the-watchmen/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I spoke with Mark Opzoomer. Mark was the MD of Yahoo! Europe between 2001 and 2003. Now he’s involved in a number of ventures, but I was talking to him about his participation with <a
href="http://www.garlik.com/">Garlik</a>. Garlik is set to launch as an online privacy service later this year. The idea is that they’ll<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/social-media/watching-the-watchmen/">Continue reading Watching the watchmen</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, I spoke with Mark Opzoomer. Mark was the MD of Yahoo! Europe between 2001 and 2003. Now he’s involved in a number of ventures, but I was talking to him about his participation with <a
href="http://www.garlik.com/">Garlik</a>. Garlik is set to launch as an online privacy service later this year. The idea is that they’ll scour the web looking for the information that’s stored about you or connected with you: your old MySpace profile, those posts you made to a newsgroup and the items stored in other public databases. Having compiled a report, they’ll give you an option to try to have your tracks erased or hidden. “People don’t realise quite how much you can discover about themselves from public sources. We want to raise that awareness and also hand back a little control.”</p><p>I asked him about MySpace’s apparent victory over Yahoo! in <a
href="http://weblogs.hitwise.com/bill-tancer/2006/07/myspace_moves_into_1_position.html">the recent Hitwise ratings</a>. “Well, MySpace should make around $350mn in sales revenue this year. Yahoo! will make about $4bn. That’s quite a difference. And it means that Yahoo! will have the investment opportunity to add better content and services.“<br
/> <span
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/> “The social networks have a real problem with advertising. That’s especially true with brand advertising because the advertiser has no control over the context in which their brand appears. That makes them very anxious. The networks need to do two things. First they need to develop tools that are able to interpret what is on the page before they show the advertisement. Otherwise, you’re putting credit card applications on pages belonging to eight-year olds, which doesn’t make sense for anyone. This intelligent interpretation of the page content and the behaviour of users will also be driven by the child safety lobby. It is possible to observe the behaviour of users to pinpoint the behaviour of predatory adults. They’ll need to be doing this in the background anyway, so if it also gives them more information about who visits which pages then that can also help them with advertising.</p><p>“Second, they need to develop areas of interest — sports, music, gaming, etc. — that will provide advertisers with the possibility of choosing more carefully the area where their copy appears. At the moment, all the users are lumped together and that isn’t appealing or useful to advertisers. More granularity is key. To go back to Yahoo!, if you think about the Yahoo! Finance page or the cars sections, then having those sections are useful for users and advertisers. Users know where to go to get information on certain topics. Advertisers will know where their copy is most relevant. And users will accept relevant advertising, especially in a free service. I can also see a move towards more localised services, with networks that are devoted to your local community.”</p><p>So where are we going? What’s web 3.0 going to be like? “The semantic web is coming. The words on a page will intelligently link and record themselves to create a much more seamless experience. At the moment, you have to apply a lot of human intelligence, but it’s the hope that as the web evolves, it will start adding intelligence of its own.” But that’s some way off, I argue, with different microformats in competition. “Sure,” says Mark, “there’s a lot of miles to go. In the meantime, we’ll see a big extension of the things that are happening now. More participation, better ease of use, greater use of communities.”</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/social-media/watching-the-watchmen/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>0</slash:comments> </item> <item><title>1999 and all that</title><link>http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/1999-and-all-that/</link> <comments>http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/1999-and-all-that/#comments</comments> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:01:52 +0000</pubDate> <dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator> <category><![CDATA[stuff]]></category> <category><![CDATA[business]]></category> <category><![CDATA[dotcom-bubble]]></category> <category><![CDATA[nasdaq]]></category> <category><![CDATA[netscape]]></category> <category><![CDATA[yahoo]]></category> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://twopointouch.com/2006/07/14/1999-and-all-that/</guid> <description><![CDATA[<p><em>Here’s where you get to help me. What follows is a draft of a chapter about the dotcom bubble. What I am lacking is personal anecdotes, so I feel it’s a bit dry, though I do have a few to add in. Did you make a mint overnight? Did you lose it again? Did you<p><a
href="http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/1999-and-all-that/">Continue reading 1999 and all that</a></p>]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Here’s where you get to help me. What follows is a draft of a chapter about the dotcom bubble. What I am lacking is personal anecdotes, so I feel it’s a bit dry, though I do have a few to add in. Did you make a mint overnight? Did you lose it again? Did you lose your job or your business? Did you buy a ‘foosball’ table for your office? Were you greedy and reckless? Was your boss? Funny stories are good. Comment on why it all happened is also good. Reply via comments or messages, as you wish. Anonymity is assured if you want it.</em></p><p>Current levels of interest in e-business are at a five-year high. There is a lot of interest in starting a business on the internet; in investing in other people’s internet businesses; and in diverting advertising money from print and broadcast campaigns to online. This marks the recovery of the medium from a ‘trough of disillusionment’, to use research company Gartner’s biblical description .</p><p>In the mid-to-late nineties, the internet was widely tipped as the next big thing. The ownership of internet access had finally moved into the mainstream and was no longer the preserve of geeks with Computer Science degrees. It was starting to become clear to businesses that having an internet presence could give them affordable, worldwide access to customers like no other available media. Increasing capability to perform secure two-way communications over the web led to the possibility of carrying out business transactions over the internet and the birth of e-commerce. People started to talk about ‘dotcoms’, businesses that conduct a major part of their commercial activity online. Such businesses would be lightweight, global and operate 24/7. It was a fantastic idea and it’s easy to see why people thought that the internet would provide a certain route to financial success. Unfortunately, this led to greed and to an inability to distinguish between a good business plan for an internet business and a terrible one. Tony Davis of Red-gate software sums it up nicely: “There was too much money being thrown at too many silly ideas. People got all caught up in an ‘everything’s different now’ whirlwind and forgot that the old, boring economic rules still applied.”</p><p>Netscape, whose main product was a popular web browser, is described by Tim O’Reilly as the “standard bearer of Web 1.0″ . Their launch on Wall Street was one of the first of many staggering offerings over the period. Initially, the stock price at IPO was to be $12. After all, the company had less than $25mn in annual sales at that point, and though their usage rates were growing very strongly, it was in debt. However, the buzz around a major internet IPO was so loud that on August 9 1995, Netscape Communications Inc. went public with stock valued at $28 a share. At that point, the typical asking price for a technology IPO was around $15. This doubling in price did not seem to inhibit investors at all, though. In actual fact, it didn’t even open at this value, but at $71, such was the level of interest. The value rose to $75 and closed at $58 at the end of the day, giving the company a first-day cap of $2.7bn. Jim Clark, co-founder of the company with a 20% stake, suddenly had half a billion dollars of stock.</p><p>Confidence that Netscape was the key to the next big thing continued to grow. On November 28th, the share price leapt again, gaining 20 points in a day, to $131. At the time, industry analyst Michael Levine commented: “Everyone wants to be connected with Netscape. There’s a growing realization that it is the standard.”</p><p>Company PR Chris Holten recalls some of the excitement around the offering, which spread way beyond traditional investors :</p><p>Caller: I’m a very sophisticated investor who has a very substantial amount of money to invest in Netscape stock and I want to talk to someone to find out how I can get it cheap.<br
/> Finance: Have you spoken yet to our underwriters?<br
/> Caller: What’s an underwriter?<br
/> Finance: Well, basically Netscape sells the shares of stock to an underwriter, in this case it’s Morgan Stanley and also Hambrecht &amp; Quist (interruption…)<br
/> Caller: Was that Hamburger Kissed?<br
/> Finance: No, H-A-M-B-R-E-C-H-T &amp; Q-U-I-S-T<br
/> Caller: Now what are you calling them?<br
/> Finance: The underwriter. So we sell the shares to Morgan Stanley and they sell the shares to the public.<br
/> Caller: Could I talk to Mr. Stanley please?</p><p>Such stories are funny, but they are also very typical of a time when ordinary members of the public started to feel as though stocks and shares could make them money. Throughout the eighties, in the UK, privatisations of public companies were made more palatable by the Conservative government by marketing these offerings to the population as opportunities to cash-in. The ‘Tell Sid’ TV and press campaign around the sell off of British Gas in 1986 was perhaps the peak of this, likening the share offering to a horse-racing tip. Since these shares were offered well below their value, many made considerable profits over the period.</p><p>When we talk about the huge amounts of money raised, spent and frittered away during the dotcom boom, it’s worth remembering that we are not just talking about the people we’d want to lose money — ‘vulture capitalists’ and grey-haired zillionaires who don’t understand the internet but want a piece of the pie. We’re also talking about life-savings, penny stocks and pension funds. Back in California, meanwhile, as David Vise records in his history of Google, “The Netscape IPO symbolized the ushering in of the Internet era in Silicon Valley and created a gold-rush mentality” .</p><p>On April 12th 1996, the same thing happened again at the Yahoo! NASDAQ IPO. The stock shot up from $13 when the market opened to $43 an hour later, which equated to $1 billion for the company. Ten minutes after this, the stock dropped $10 to around $33, where it stayed for the rest of the day. In total, 8.5 million shares were traded in its first day. At that time, Yahoo! was not even remotely profitable, reporting a loss of $643,000 despite sales of $1.4 million during its first ten months. The company’s strategy was to use its own IPO to build its brand to the extent that it would drive them into profitability — a strategy that proved very successful. Since Yahoo! was already a well-known brand in the internet search market, the offering amplified this, considerably outperforming the IPOs of lesser known competitors Excite and Lycos the previous week.</p><p>The enormous fortunes being made through the stock market on internet tools and web sites were clearly of enormous interest to Venture Capitalists and other investors. Yet, they knew that these valuations were hit-and-miss. Investing in a single internet company was as likely to ruin you as make your fortune. So they spread their risk by investing in many internet companies, choosing a mixture of long-shot outsiders and what they thought were a sure thing. The company managers in these startups were typically very young.</p><p>Some of the best known ‘Siliconaires’ bear a startling resemblance. Jerry Yang and David Filo were on the Stanford University doctoral programme when they left to start Yahoo! in 1995. So was Jeff Bezos before he started Amazon in 1994. So were Larry Page and Sergei Brin before starting Google in 1998. In some respects, this was inevitable; you needed access to computers and time to research your product to come up with a successful dotcom. You also needed training and confidence with using computers, not to mention a lot of optimism about the business prospects of a company that didn’t have any physical products and operated over the web. And you needed to be in an atmosphere — like Silicon Valley — where people would take your ideas seriously and where the Sand Hill road Venture Capital companies like Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital would potentially back your ideas. Many operated at a loss since they needed to build their brand and presence before customers would come. Some operated at a loss because their business model was fundamentally flawed. Their need for investment was tied to marketing themselves or tiding the owners over until internet surfers found them and converted their dreams and aspirations into gold.</p><p>This youthfulness led to the popular image of dotcoms being led by young men in polo shirts and jeans, handing out free soft drinks and sweets to their employees. They worked in ‘spaces’ rather than offices and installed table football (‘foosball’) in the board room. A lot were inexperience as managers. It was their first full-time job, and they’d become the CEOs of companies after a training in computer engineering rather than business. Many dotcoms were like this, though at least an equal number were very serious, very organised and extremely charismatic. Dotcoms also had a reputation for working long hours and demanding exceptional performance from their staff. Nonetheless, there were also a lot of companies who appeared to accept a lot of investment and were burning through it very quickly without getting any closer to the hoards of internet riches their investors so coveted.</p><p>The boom rose to a peak as the century drew to a close. In the UK, the First Tuesday club was formed in October 1998 by Julie Meyer to provide a networking opportunity for dotcom entrepreneurs and other interested parties, such as greedy VCs who sniffed the chance at a fortune. The club’s website had 500,000 registered members by 2000. In February 1999, Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, with a personal fortune estimated at $10.1bn, reached number 19 on Forbes’ global rich list and in September of the same year, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair warned businesses: “If you’re not exploiting the opportunities of e-commerce, you could go bankrupt.” There were 457 IPOs in 1999, most of them dotcoms, and in the case of 117 of these, stocks doubled in price on the first day of trading.</p><p>The new century saw record figures on international stock markets. On December 31 1999, the FTSE 100 peaked at 6,930.20. By January 14, the Dow Jones Industrial Average had hit an all-time closing high of 11,722.98.</p><p>January 30th marked the zenith of the dotcom boom. Sixteen dotcoms including pets.com (an online petfood store) and epidemic.com (an online marketing agency) spent up to $3mn each on 30-second advertising slots during the US Super Bowl XXXIV. As the Guardian reported on March 10th 2005, “In the US, the internet was everywhere. News magazines from the stalwart Time through to the internet cheerleaders Wired, Red Herring and the Industry Standard proclaimed the birth of the new economy. Wall Street analysts Henry Blodget, at Merrill Lynch, and Mary Meeker, from Morgan Stanley, were feted as royalty.”</p><p>The UK was late to the dotcom party in many respects, but had the dubious honour of spawning the last great dotcom IPO. The online travel agency and ticket company lastminute.com, run by Martha Lane Fox and Brent Hoberman, was simultaneously launched on both the NASDAQ and London Stock Exchange on March 14 2000. The company wasn’t making a profit, but this was an internet property, so that didn’t matter. The owners were expecting to make a staggering Â£500mn out of the flotation. True to form, it exceeded their expectations enormously — the shares gained 28% in a single day, giving the company a first-day valuation of Â£800mn.</p><p>And this was roughly the point at which everything started to go wrong. Three days after the lastminute.com flotation, Dutch ISP World Online had its IPO and raised $7.2bn. A week later, it was discovered that its founder, Nina Brink, had sold 1.2mn of her shares considerably below the offer price the day after its flotation. In May, fashion retailer Boo.com collapsed having burned through $135mn of investor’s money. “Mainly on a pretty website from which no-one bought anything,” says Steve Mulder of Molecular.</p><p>The following month, Psion, Baltimore Technologies, Kingston Communications and Thus, having been inducted into the FTSE 100 three months earlier, were ejected from the list. Super Bowl advertiser epidemic.com went bust, laying off 60 people after spending the $7.6mn they had raised in first-round financing. Toytime and Toysmart went to the wall, as did CraftShop.com and violet.com. In November, pets.com became the first listed US dotcom to collapse. Pets.com, another Super Bowl advertiser, had raised $82.5mn at their IPO only nine months earlier. The expressions “dot bomb” and “dot compost” started to gain currency.</p><p>Things went from bad to worse in 2001. Kosmo.com — free delivery of fast food and snacks — went bust despite $280mn of funding. Grocery delivery service Webvan.com went under, having raised $375mn at their IPO a mere 18 months earlier. In April alone, 17,554 people lost their jobs from dotcom startups; 64 dotcom companies closed the following month. In contrast to 1999, there were 76 IPOs in 2001, none of which doubled in price on the first day. On September 21, the tech-heavy NASDAQ index hit 1,423.19, having lost 70% of its value since the previous March. The party was over. Stewart Kirkpatrick, writing in the Scotsman in January 2002, noted, “You don’t need the right kind of eyes to see where the dotcom wave crashed. The tidemark is there for all to see in the second-hand office furniture warehouses of California. In their soulless aisles, you can browse among the personal effects of the dotcom casualties: teak boardroom tables; fine, leather, executives’ chairs; pool tables; and all the other trappings of e-excess.”</p><p>The final irony came the following January when Amazon announced its first quarter in profit. By that time, Jeff Bezos’ fortune was down to $1.5bn, number 293 on the rich list. Amazon, e-bay and Yahoo!, the most prominent survivors of the dotcom boom, have gone on to become the giants among internet businesses. But they would never again receive valuations quite so wildly removed from their profits.</p> ]]></content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss>http://twopointouch.com/2006/stuff/1999-and-all-that/feed/</wfw:commentRss> <slash:comments>4</slash:comments> </item> </channel> </rss>
